playoffs and win lose record

[jinnae nae]

I guess we have all talked about this but nothing has been acomplished... I just don't think it is right that for example Wayne only has 1 win and i have 4 but he is ahead of me because he has 10 more points.. I am not the only person in this same situation... As this is going it doesn't matter if you win or lose just get POINT POINTS POINTS...THATS WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!! I don't know how anyone else feels but I would like some feed back please...It should mean something is you have more wins than someone else!!!

[Slyder66]

I brought this subject up a few weeks ago (See Thread called Seeds), But it seemes that it was ignored.

I agree with Jinnae, and Jason (who brought this to my attension a few weeks ago).


The rules state

Playoffs
Div 1 & 2 Winners Determined By, (1st) Best Div Record, (2nd) Div Wins, (3rd) Points {Seads 1 & 2}
3rd thru 6th Determined By Points Only {Seads 3 Thru 6}
7th thru 10th L Bracket Playoffs Determined by Points {Seads 7 Thru 10}

I also think this is wrong.
This rule is a rewrite of the rules we have always had, All I added was the L-Bracket.
This is the rules that were in place when Kevin ran this league.
I talked to kevin this week and asked him how he figured the seeds and this is the way he did it.


I know its almost to playoff time but I would like to get this streightened out.

I think the way it should be done is like this
Div One and Two Winners should be determined as (First) Best Overall Record, (second) Best Division Record If there is a tie in Best Overall Record, & (Third) Points if there is a tie in the first 2 options.

For the rest of the seeds I think it should be
(First)Best Overall Record, (Second) Points if there is a tie In Best Overall Record. I dont think that div record should be in play for these Seeds.

This is what i was trying to Point out in the Seeds Thread.

I think that everyone should respond & Vote on this so we can settle this matter.
My Vote is to change the way the rules state, Because its wrong.

It has also been stated that maybe we should go to a 10 player league with no divisions. But this would be a subject for next year.



Sly

[james]

I vote for what u have down steve to go by win loss records then points in case of a tie. and i vote it should be done asap it should not be that hard to fix now.

[meanmachine]

I think the points shouldn't mean shit unless in a tie record . I dont see how a better record can be ranked lower then a worse record . I vote also seeds 1 &2 division leaders then devison records and if tied it should be detirmined by heads up then points .. we need to decide by this weekend ..

[James Lundy]

I'm replaying to what I wrote before... I think it should be the same what Steve said BUT keep it all the same from the top down threw-out the league from devision leaders on down, unless u have the same record but different divisions forget the division record and go by points!!!

[coldbeers]

I agree with Steve Points only when there is a tie!! or if you drink Budwieser

[nitemare]

This is my sixth year in this fantasy league but 1 year i sat out and I can guaranty you guys that it has always been determined by win loss record then points i wish it went by points since i have the most. However points only came into play in ties. Thats the way it has always been sorry Steve but this is the first time i have ever heard this points ranking over win loss record if that is the case we may as well have just counted points and screw the win loss records.

THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN AND AFTER I WHOOP JASON ASS THIS WEEKEND I WONT NEED THE POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jinnae Nae]

SO AS I HAVE READ so far 6 OUT OF 10 OF US VOTED WINS FIRST!!!

The second thing we all need to vote on is, what goes next division record (IF YOU IN THE SAME DIV.) then point??? JUST LIKE THE NFL??? OR WHAT???

[JINNAE NAE]

I think Divsion record should count IF your in the same div with the same amount of wins!!!! Thats just my opinion

[the money makers]

no it has always been like i stated before points are second in case of a tie always have been div. record has never meant shit we have had this discussion in prior years probably before most of u have played. thats how it has been i think thats how it should stay

[Slyder66]

Thanks all for giving your opinions. This is why i put in the forum.

As we know the way seeds is determined has been the issue, We alll agree that the way it is in the rules is wrong.

I have been going thru many senarios as to how would be the fairest and correct way to determin the seeds,
Here is my final answer, and why.


All seeds will be determined by
1 st Best overall record
2nd Best div Record
3rd Points
If there will be need for a forth then i will have to look at individual records.

This will be the way for the entire league, With the exception of the (2) Division leaders.

Div leaders will be determined within each division.
The rest will be determined out of division.

Week 13 Results has a good example.

Name W L T DW DL DT Points

Ron 7 6 3 4 908
Steve 6 6 1 4 3 732
James 8 5 7 1 761
Wayne 1 12 1 6 714
Melissa 5 8 3 4 743

Nick 8 5 4 3 910
Dan 7 5 1 4 3 852
Jason 7 6 5 3 834
Jinnae 5 8 1 6 689
George 10 3 4 3 837

If you look at Jason & Ron.
Ron Has More points But Jason Has Better Div Record.
I feel that each team had 8 people they had to beat, This was determined by draw for placement on draft day. Jason beat 5 of his 8 and Ron beat 3 so far, This puts jason ahead of him the way i see it.

This seems to be the right way that it should be.
DO YOU ALL AGREE?

I will rewrite the rules page when this is settled

My Vote yes
I talked to Dan & he agrees also
Thats 2 votes yes.

SLY

[Jinnae and James]

James and I both agree that would be the only fair way to do it. At first James was on board with Nick wins then points only, but after he looked at the situation this is the only way it stays fair. Because like what Steve and I said, if you only go by points on a tie record what about someone having a better div record. It just wouldn't be fair.. So thats 2 more votes YES..

[Slyder66]

Ok thats 4 yes votes

I talked to Wayne and he also agrees.

Thats 5

Sly